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Sorin Srbu
Hi all,

I apologise for this off-topic question, but wanted to hear from a
third-party as well.

Recently, like the last week or so, I've started getting blank emails from
this list.
Blank as in no message text is visible in the email.

If I do a ctrl-A however, something does get marked. Evidently there is a
message, just not visible.

This particular list is the only one I've noticed this problem with.

I use Outlook 2013 32b on Win7 x64.
Our work mail server at work is Exchange.

Has anybody else seen this, or is just me?

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Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list

Frank Cox-2
On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 07:03:53 +0000
Sorin Srbu wrote:

I haven't seen what you describe myself.

> I use Outlook 2013 32b on Win7 x64.
> Our work mail server at work is Exchange.

Does Outlook 2013 allow you to "View Message Source"?  If so, see what's actually there.

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Sorin Srbu
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CentOS [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Frank Cox
> Sent: den 15 december 2016 08:10
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
>
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 07:03:53 +0000
> Sorin Srbu wrote:
>
> I haven't seen what you describe myself.
>
> > I use Outlook 2013 32b on Win7 x64.
> > Our work mail server at work is Exchange.
>
> Does Outlook 2013 allow you to "View Message Source"?  If so, see what's
> actually there.

Hi and thanks for the swift feedback!

Outlook doesn't do that by itself, but I have an addin that might help -
Pocketknife Peek - if it's still compatible with this version of Outlook.


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Sorin Srbu
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CentOS [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sorin Srbu
> Sent: den 15 december 2016 08:16
> To: CentOS mailing list <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CentOS [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Frank Cox
> > Sent: den 15 december 2016 08:10
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
> >
> > On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 07:03:53 +0000
> > Sorin Srbu wrote:
> >
> > I haven't seen what you describe myself.
> >
> > > I use Outlook 2013 32b on Win7 x64.
> > > Our work mail server at work is Exchange.
> >
> > Does Outlook 2013 allow you to "View Message Source"?  If so, see what's
> > actually there.
>
> Hi and thanks for the swift feedback!
>
> Outlook doesn't do that by itself, but I have an addin that might help -
> Pocketknife Peek - if it's still compatible with this version of Outlook.

Ok, can view the source now.
AFAICT, it looks "normal".
Lots of filtering, scores, senders, GPS-coordinates to the Melville Theatre
etc.

Am I looking for something in particular?

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Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list

John Hodrien
On Thu, 15 Dec 2016, Sorin Srbu wrote:

> Ok, can view the source now.
> AFAICT, it looks "normal".
> Lots of filtering, scores, senders, GPS-coordinates to the Melville Theatre
> etc.
>
> Am I looking for something in particular?

I was assuming you were looking for the message text.

Exchange has always seemed to struggle with various multipart emails, and I've
seen signed messages come through as blank, but you can view the content in
the source.

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Sorin Srbu
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CentOS [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of John
> Hodrien
> Sent: den 15 december 2016 10:13
> To: CentOS mailing list <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
>
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016, Sorin Srbu wrote:
>
> > Ok, can view the source now.
> > AFAICT, it looks "normal".
> > Lots of filtering, scores, senders, GPS-coordinates to the Melville
Theatre
> > etc.
> >
> > Am I looking for something in particular?
>
> I was assuming you were looking for the message text.
>
> Exchange has always seemed to struggle with various multipart emails, and
I've
> seen signed messages come through as blank, but you can view the content
in
> the source.

Aha, I thought I was looking for settings or some such. :-)

In any case, Outlook seems to show the message text if I double-click the
message as opposed to viewing it in the reading pane.

It's probably got nothing to do with the list itself.

Thanks for the feedback all!

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Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list

geo.inbox.ignored
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On 12/15/2016 02:44 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CentOS [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sorin Srbu
>> Sent: den 15 december 2016 08:16
>> To: CentOS mailing list <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: CentOS [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Frank Cox
>>> Sent: den 15 december 2016 08:10
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
>>>
>>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 07:03:53 +0000
>>> Sorin Srbu wrote:
>>>
>>> I haven't seen what you describe myself.
>>>
>>>> I use Outlook 2013 32b on Win7 x64.
>>>> Our work mail server at work is Exchange.
>>>
>>> Does Outlook 2013 allow you to "View Message Source"?  If so, see what's
>>> actually there.
>>
>> Hi and thanks for the swift feedback!
>>
>> Outlook doesn't do that by itself, but I have an addin that might help -
>> Pocketknife Peek - if it's still compatible with this version of Outlook.
>
> Ok, can view the source now.
> AFAICT, it looks "normal".
> Lots of filtering, scores, senders, GPS-coordinates to the Melville Theatre
> etc.
>
}}

'GPS' ???

if you mean;

  (static24-72-131-56.yk.rev.accesscomm.ca  [24.72.131.56])
  (mutt.melvilletheatre.net [192.168.0.3])

those are ip addresses, 'internet protocol addresses'.

1st is Frank's isp, 'internet service provider'.
2nd is Frank's local network.


> Am I looking for something in particular?
>
}}

when you look at source, look for something like;

   Content-Type:
   Content-Transfer-Encoding:

which tells how email body is written.


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Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list

Sorin Srbu


> -----Original Message-----
> From: CentOS [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> geo.inbox.ignored
> Sent: den 15 december 2016 11:28
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
>
>
>
> > Ok, can view the source now.
> > AFAICT, it looks "normal".
> > Lots of filtering, scores, senders, GPS-coordinates to the Melville
Theatre

> > etc.
>
> 'GPS' ???
>
> if you mean;
>
>   (static24-72-131-56.yk.rev.accesscomm.ca  [24.72.131.56])
>   (mutt.melvilletheatre.net [192.168.0.3])
>
> those are ip addresses, 'internet protocol addresses'.
>
> 1st is Frank's isp, 'internet service provider'.
> 2nd is Frank's local network.
>
>
> > Am I looking for something in particular?
> >
> }}
>
> when you look at source, look for something like;
>
>    Content-Type:
>    Content-Transfer-Encoding:
>
> which tells how email body is written.

Yes, map coordinates. :-)
See below.

X-CanIt-Geo: ip=208.100.23.70; country=US; region=Illinois; city=Chicago;
latitude=41.8776; longitude=-87.6272;
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=41.8776,-87.6272&z=6

Looked for the encoding and content types but couldn't see anything that
might be a concern.
The problem seems to occur with all sorts of content types and encoding.
I've now installed Office 2016, and the same problem occurs, only worse. Now
it's with nearly all mail.

Dammit' Microsoft...

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geo


On 12/15/2016 05:13 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CentOS [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> geo.inbox.ignored
>> Sent: den 15 december 2016 11:28
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
>>
>>
>>
>>> Ok, can view the source now.
>>> AFAICT, it looks "normal".
>>> Lots of filtering, scores, senders, GPS-coordinates to the Melville
> Theatre
>>> etc.
>>
>> 'GPS' ???
>>
>> if you mean;
>>
>>   (static24-72-131-56.yk.rev.accesscomm.ca  [24.72.131.56])
>>   (mutt.melvilletheatre.net [192.168.0.3])
>>
>> those are ip addresses, 'internet protocol addresses'.
>>
>> 1st is Frank's isp, 'internet service provider'.
>> 2nd is Frank's local network.
>>
>>
>>> Am I looking for something in particular?
>>>
>> }}
>>
>> when you look at source, look for something like;
>>
>>    Content-Type:
>>    Content-Transfer-Encoding:
>>
>> which tells how email body is written.
>
> Yes, map coordinates. :-)
> See below.
>
> X-CanIt-Geo: ip=208.100.23.70; country=US; region=Illinois; city=Chicago;
> latitude=41.8776; longitude=-87.6272;
> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=41.8776,-87.6272&z=6
>
}}

possibly something your email client or source reader is adding?

ria, i know Frank is not in chicago.

> Looked for the encoding and content types but couldn't see anything that
> might be a concern.
> The problem seems to occur with all sorts of content types and encoding.
> I've now installed Office 2016, and the same problem occurs, only worse. Now
> it's with nearly all mail.
>
> Dammit' Microsoft...
>
}}

read my sig, then install thunderbird.


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isdtor
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> The problem seems to occur with all sorts of content types and encoding.
> I've now installed Office 2016, and the same problem occurs, only worse.

Irrelevant. It's Exchange that messes things up. Switching to tb will
most likely not help.

Set yourself up with a personal email account that is not going
through Exchange, subscribe to this list, and then compare the full
messages, headers and all, from both sources. This place of ork uses
O365, and the Exchange server is adding so much crap to headers and
body that message size triples or worse. Certain MIME types break. MS
support doesn't have the technical background to understand these
issues when you open a case.
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Lamar Owen
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On 12/15/2016 02:03 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> Recently, like the last week or so, I've started getting blank emails from
> this list.
> Blank as in no message text is visible in the email.
> ...
> Has anybody else seen this, or is just me?
I have seen blank body (but still with the list's .sig) emails for a
while on my android phone.  The email shows up fine in Thunderbird on
CentOS (well, I say 'fine' when in reality it was unbearably tiny text
until I installed the 'no small text' extension; the CentOS 7
Thunderbird does not have some of the knobs you are supposed to adjust
to fix this (it's the font size for the message encoding, and the
encoding needed is not in the dropdowns in the C7 Thunderbird, and I'm
assuming that's an upstream issue, but I've not taken the time to file a
bug report yet) so an extension is required.  The thread preview pane
still has unbearably tiny text, but at least when opening the message
the text is large enough to read; the Thunderbird tiny text problem is a
well-known one).

Several messages from Karanbir and Johnny were some that the android
phone (Samsung Galaxy S5) shows an empty (except for the .sig) body.  
Again, not something I've taken the time to file a bug report on, since
I mainly read the CentOS lists on my laptop after Thunderbird's filters
pull them in my CentOS lists folders (which pulls them to local folders
and off of the imap server).


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Sorin Srbu
In reply to this post by geo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CentOS [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of geo
> Sent: den 15 december 2016 12:32
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
>
> >>> Am I looking for something in particular?
> >>>
> >> }}
> >>
> >> when you look at source, look for something like;
> >>
> >>    Content-Type:
> >>    Content-Transfer-Encoding:
> >>
> >> which tells how email body is written.
> >
> > Yes, map coordinates. :-)
> > See below.
> >
> > X-CanIt-Geo: ip=208.100.23.70; country=US; region=Illinois;
city=Chicago;
> > latitude=41.8776; longitude=-87.6272;
> > http://maps.google.com/maps?q=41.8776,-87.6272&z=6
> >
> }}
>
> possibly something your email client or source reader is adding?
>
> ria, i know Frank is not in chicago.

Could be. Exchange does a lot of weird things, as I understood it from the
central IT-support.

> read my sig, then install thunderbird.

LOL!

Well, it T-bird doesn't do Exchange very well.
At least not when I tried a few months ago. :-)

In any case, I'll toss this to the mentioned central support and the mail
admins. See if they can make heads or tails of this, other than reinstall
everything.
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Sorin Srbu
In reply to this post by Lamar Owen
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CentOS [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Lamar
> Owen
> Sent: den 15 december 2016 16:45
> To: CentOS mailing list <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
>
> On 12/15/2016 02:03 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> > Recently, like the last week or so, I've started getting blank emails
from

> > this list.
> > Blank as in no message text is visible in the email.
> > ...
> > Has anybody else seen this, or is just me?
> I have seen blank body (but still with the list's .sig) emails for a
> while on my android phone.  The email shows up fine in Thunderbird on
> CentOS (well, I say 'fine' when in reality it was unbearably tiny text
> until I installed the 'no small text' extension; the CentOS 7
> Thunderbird does not have some of the knobs you are supposed to adjust
> to fix this (it's the font size for the message encoding, and the
> encoding needed is not in the dropdowns in the C7 Thunderbird, and I'm
> assuming that's an upstream issue, but I've not taken the time to file a
> bug report yet) so an extension is required.  The thread preview pane
> still has unbearably tiny text, but at least when opening the message
> the text is large enough to read; the Thunderbird tiny text problem is a
> well-known one).
>
> Several messages from Karanbir and Johnny were some that the android
> phone (Samsung Galaxy S5) shows an empty (except for the .sig) body.
> Again, not something I've taken the time to file a bug report on, since
> I mainly read the CentOS lists on my laptop after Thunderbird's filters
> pull them in my CentOS lists folders (which pulls them to local folders
> and off of the imap server).

Do you use Exchange at your workplace as well?

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On 12/16/2016 12:22 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CentOS [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of geo
>> Sent: den 15 december 2016 12:32
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
<<>>

>> read my sig, then install thunderbird.
>
> LOL!
>
}}

glad you enjoyed.

sad thing is it is very true.

> Well, it T-bird doesn't do Exchange very well.
> At least not when I tried a few months ago. :-)
>
}}

nothing does exchange very well, including all from oos. ;=)

> In any case, I'll toss this to the mentioned central support and the mail
> admins. See if they can make heads or tails of this, other than reinstall
> everything.
>
}}

if central support and admins reject thunderbird, they need to be
wearing 'Depends'.

btw; do you know Valeri Galtsev <[hidden email]? her department
is near what you had marked on chigo map.


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Valeri Galtsev

On Fri, December 16, 2016 4:15 am, geo.inbox.ignored wrote:

>
>
> On 12/16/2016 12:22 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: CentOS [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of geo
>>> Sent: den 15 december 2016 12:32
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
> <<>>
>
>>> read my sig, then install thunderbird.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
> }}
>
> glad you enjoyed.
>
> sad thing is it is very true.
>
>> Well, it T-bird doesn't do Exchange very well.
>> At least not when I tried a few months ago. :-)
>>
> }}
>
> nothing does exchange very well, including all from oos. ;=)
>
>> In any case, I'll toss this to the mentioned central support and the
>> mail
>> admins. See if they can make heads or tails of this, other than
>> reinstall
>> everything.
>>
> }}
>
> if central support and admins reject thunderbird, they need to be
> wearing 'Depends'.
>
> btw; do you know Valeri Galtsev <[hidden email]? her department
> is near what you had marked on chigo map.

I'm a boy ;-) (yes, some names are weird)

Valeri

>
>
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> The important thing is not to stop questioning.
>  - Albert Einstein
>
>
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>
> peace out.
>
> tc,hago.
>
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Phone: 773-702-4247
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Alice Wonder
On 12/16/2016 05:29 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
*snip*
>
> I'm a boy ;-) (yes, some names are weird)
>
> Valeri


Me too - I choose Alice Wonder online because of an affinity to Lewis
Carroll - and Alice entering a world where the rules of the world she
came from just didn't apply.

I thought Alice Wonder would give away that it is a handle and not a
real name and therefore not a gender indicator, but for some people -
despite Alice Cooper - it is a gender identifier.

It's okay, I don't mind, English doesn't really have a gender neutral
pronoun and so some authors have started using she instead of he when
neutral is intended just to make a point.

My actual name is Michael, which while typically male. I have for the
record seen used with both genders despite the name Michelle existing.
So I guess by choosing Alice I am kind of bringing it on myself.
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geo.inbox.ignored
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On 12/16/2016 07:29 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> On Fri, December 16, 2016 4:15 am, geo.inbox.ignored wrote:
<<>>

>> btw; do you know Valeri Galtsev <[hidden email]? her department
>> is near what you had marked on chigo map.
>
> I'm a boy ;-) (yes, some names are weird)
>
}}

aware that Valeri is 'both ways'. 8=)

did not know which way you are. ;=)

some with weird names are weirder than their names. in many ways.


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m.roth
geo.inbox.ignored wrote:

> On 12/16/2016 07:29 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
>> On Fri, December 16, 2016 4:15 am, geo.inbox.ignored wrote:
>
>>> btw; do you know Valeri Galtsev <[hidden email]? her
>>> department is near what you had marked on chigo map.
>>
>> I'm a boy ;-) (yes, some names are weird)
>>
> }}
>
> aware that Valeri is 'both ways'. 8=)

I assumed it was a male name... but then, I have some idea about various
European names. I'd have to see Valerie before I thought it was a female
name.
>
> did not know which way you are. ;=)
>
> some with weird names are weirder than their names. in many ways.

What's *really* bad is trying to figure how to pronounce someone's name
with a "j" in it - is the letter pronounced "jay", or as a "y", or as an
"h"....

      mark "let's not even *mention* Mandarin, which is tonal...."


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Re: [CentOS] WAY OT: Blank mails from this list

Lamar Owen
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On 12/16/2016 08:47 AM, Alice Wonder wrote:
> My actual name is Michael, which while typically male. I have for the
> record seen used with both genders despite the name Michelle existing.
> So I guess by choosing Alice I am kind of bringing it on myself.
Michael Learned (best known for her role in the long-running drama 'The
Waltons') is the canonical female example.

I learned long ago to be real careful in this area.

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Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list

Lamar Owen
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On 12/16/2016 01:35 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> Do you use Exchange at your workplace as well?

No.

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